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Post by lurk3r on Sept 12, 2019 14:07:25 GMT -8
Honest question, Ed ...did you learn about Roberts Rules, before or after you joined KBOO?
RE:the rest, lets just say this is NOT what an average, reasonable person joining KBOO will assume based on the "punch and cookies" version. If that was true, then it would be expected that all 5,000 members would TRY to show up in person, just in case and clearly that is not what's being planned.
Deceptive and bad faith are words that come to mind.
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Post by lurk3r on Sept 12, 2019 14:08:13 GMT -8
Ahem...I actually know someone who did contact a media outlet last week.
Don't know more than that.
Keep us posted!
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Post by The Real Ed Kraus on Sept 12, 2019 14:19:13 GMT -8
Honest question, Ed ...did you learn about Roberts Rules, before or after you joined KBOO? Before. It's worth learning about if you want to be part of any non profit or other formal organization. I've been on the BOD and brought business before other nonprofits, and own and run my own for profit (I hope) corporation. In meetings with difficult decisions, even when not required, many people will suggest that to move a decision forward that the meeting agree to continue under Roberts Rules. At KBOO they once tried to switch committee meetings to a bizarre consensus process, and in frustration with it often went back to Roberts Rules. RE:the rest, lets just say this is NOT what an average, reasonable person joining KBOO will assume based on the "punch and cookies" version. If that was true, then it would be expected that all 5,000 members would TRY to show up in person, just in case and clearly that is not what's being planned. Deceptive and bad faith are words that come to mind. Now you get how Ani and friends have kept control of KBOO for so long. Remember, many friends of Ani are still employed at KBOO. Folks only show up to meetings when there is a controversy, and anyone in marketing or politics will tell you most people make decisions based on emotions, not on logic. Ani, TM etc have been able to make people fear that without their heavy hand, KBOO will come to an end. For a long time this has worked. We'll see this time, but yes it depends like all things with voting involved, you have to turn out the vote.
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Post by SlappyD on Sept 12, 2019 20:26:01 GMT -8
That was a refreshing exchange. My input: I had a friend go over these mysterious bylaws.
That was not his take. It reads as Mitchell and her clowns can scream for a recall at another date to be determined.
He also pointed out something else that hasn't been examined: Mitchell's very specific 250+ number. It's not just a number she pulled out of her ass. It is approximately the 5% quorum of membership that is required to be present for this membership meeting to be legit. (And also might confirm membership has been stagnate since 2013 but that's another topic).
In other words, completely separate from TM corporate conspiracy rants, there should be at least 5% of membership at the membership meeting no matter what.
I don't ever remember seeing this in the Membership meeting announcements. All I'm reading is "cookies and punch":
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Post by The Real Ed Kraus on Sept 12, 2019 21:22:23 GMT -8
That was a refreshing exchange. My input: I had a friend go over these mysterious bylaws. That was not his take. It reads as Mitchell and her clowns can scream for a recall at another date to be determined.
He also pointed out something else that hasn't been examined: Mitchell's very specific 250+ number. It's not just a number she pulled out of her ass. It is approximately the 5% quorum of membership that is required to be present for this membership meeting to be legit. (And also might confirm membership has been stagnate since 2013 but that's another topic).
Now You're cooking with gas. You're looking at the bylaws. If you are there and TM or her minions try something that violates the bylaws, you can object. Read Robert's Rules and yell "Point of Order" to ask a question about procedure. Look it up in the rules, or bring your friend to help out.
Remember, keeping a voting majority on the BOD is the objective. That's the fight, not just the four seats in the regular election.
This meeting promises to be a doosey. Again, if the existing BOD has resisted TM this far, they have a plan. Find out what it is, and if you want to support it ask them how to do so.
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Post by SlappyD on Sept 13, 2019 9:05:19 GMT -8
It is encouraging. But it wouldn't be appropriate for them to share this with an unknown party, even with proven membership, contacting them out of the blue. After all, there nothing to stop a TM loyalist doing exactly the same thing in bad faith, and ratting on them.
It's enough to be aware there is probably a plan and to follow the current BOD's lead during the meeting.
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Post by The Real Ed Kraus on Sept 13, 2019 9:48:07 GMT -8
It is encouraging. But it wouldn't be appropriate for them to share this with an unknown party, even with proven membership, contacting them out of the blue. After all, there nothing to stop a TM loyalist doing exactly the same thing in bad faith, and ratting on them.
Wrong. If you still care about KBOO, and you are a voting member, then you can choose sides in this power struggle. That's what TM is doing, blatantly making her plan of action clear to those who support the KBOT agenda. All members of the BOD and the current manager have email and phone numbers, you can contact them and ask them how you can help. They will tell you plainly. If you know someone else on the inside of KBOO who is aware what's going on and opposes TM's reign of terror, then ask them. It's not inappropriate, it's how things are done. It's politics within a nonprofit corporation.
They are all grownup enough to decide what they will disclose to you if it's not already public information. Time is of the essence if you care.
It's enough to be aware there is probably a plan and to follow the current BOD's lead during the meeting.
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Post by lurk3r on Sept 13, 2019 10:45:32 GMT -8
Ed, why do you do this? We actually communicate, then you go back to being dickish...
He didn't say "don't chose sides". He said responsible professionals don't just share their cunning plan to neuter TM's gang with any old body emailing them. And he would follow the BOD's lead.
Obviously that's taking the BOD's side.
Calm the fuck down.
Or take your own advice and email them yourself.
Geez.
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Post by The Real Ed Kraus on Sept 13, 2019 11:59:35 GMT -8
Ed, why do you do this? We actually communicate, then you go back to being dickish... He didn't say "don't chose sides". He said responsible professionals don't just share their cunning plan to neuter TM's gang with any old body emailing them. And he would follow the BOD's lead. We're now splitting hairs. And remember, some seventy persons are reading the blog lately. What he said was wait until the actual meeting, then see if you get direction then. I'm suggesting it might be more effective to be proactive.
Six to a half dozen. Do what you like.
I can tell you that in 2013, the folks within KBOO who wanted to support Lynn were very grateful, even just for a word of encouragement. So was she. So even if you want to just do that, email, call, even if anonymously ... that can help support those sticking their necks out on your behalf.
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Post by SlappyD on Sept 13, 2019 13:26:48 GMT -8
Lurker is right. We are taking the BODs side. I thought that was obvious.
What makes you think people haven't been emailing support? Just because they're not spamming those emails all over social media doesn't mean they don't exist.
You don't get it. Put yourself in the BOD's shoes. You get this email: "Hiya! I am totally on your side! So what's the plan?"
Do you:
1. Reply with a detailed outline of the Membership Meeting Battle Plans? 2. Thank the person for their support and encourage them to participate in the meeting with tips on Roberts Rules like you did? 3. Don't bother replying because your email is full of KBOT Spam?
The obvious answer in a sane world in #2. #3 is a contender.
What happens if you do #1? Sure you might be sharing helpful tips with an ally. But you only have to look at Mitchell's loons to see a high percent of "supportive" emails (60-80% shooting from hip) WILL be from KBOTS trying to socially engineer information to pass one to Mitchell.
You might be very good with rules and stuff, but you don't seem savvy about managing a situation full of bad actors in real time.
"If you know someone else on the inside of KBOO who is aware what's going on and opposes TM's reign of terror, then ask them. It's not inappropriate, it's how things are done."
Stop it. We were talking about emailing the BOD (Okay, you said "find out". I was talking about emailing). Any other conversations that may or may not be happening are not likely to be shared in public where TM's goons can see.
" If you still care about KBOO,"
Hmmmm...speaking for myself, but its the other way around. KBOO has to prove it can take out the trash. With support, or course, but they have to do it. I care about stopping a malicious fraud from using a non-profit to exploit a community. KBOO has potential. It's definitely grown since 2013. But that's facile. Toxic waste still lurks.
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Post by SlappyD on Sept 13, 2019 13:34:04 GMT -8
Candidate page has one lone comment from someone not impressed with the Internet: kboo.fm/meeting2019I would like to ask the Permalink Submitted by netdropr on Thu, 09/12/2019 - 2:54pm I would like to ask the candidates how they will support the continued strength of the station as local terrestrial radio - that is, simply being able to play the station switching on the radio, while driving, no need to navigate digital technology. I am in favor of podcasts and having KBOO have the ability to expand its listener audience. However, I am concerned that it continue to be the local go-to, walk in source for local reporting and activism. A community resource! I get concerned that with over-concern about expanding the listener audience, the mission will widen too much in scope, getting beyond us with all the technology available. I want to continue to hear local voices and call-ins! Who of the candidates defends the survival of pure simple terrestrial radio, free of tracking, predatory advertising and all the rest? Even now the website is less accessible as far as being able to see the daily broadcasting schedule for radio, with descriptions of who is on the program. I have to call sometimes to find out who I was listening to, what author, etc. harder now to ID. Thank you, Roberta
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Post by lurk3r on Sept 13, 2019 13:43:39 GMT -8
How did I miss this? TAKE KBOO BAAAAAACCCCCK! A Facebook event TM started Sept 11th.
Conspiracy?
OMG!!!!!!...... shut up. Two likes...lol.
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Post by The Real Ed Kraus on Sept 13, 2019 15:29:33 GMT -8
Boy ... that's rich. Remember how she publicly disemboweled Ben Hoyne when he suggested doing exactly the same thing on Blue Oregon? She and the KBOTs screamed that people were being recruited to join on the spot so they can vote. Then she and her minions tried to get Ben fired from his job for his advocacy at KBOO.
Buy a membership! Save our toxic control of KBOO! Only $20!
Theresa, I'm sure you and your lunatic friends are reading. Fuck You.
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Post by Memories on Sept 13, 2019 18:48:50 GMT -8
Thought that sounded familiar. It's always projection with these people.
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Post by Uramorp on Sept 14, 2019 14:44:37 GMT -8
Mitchell whines on Twitter
Well, look what you did to Lynn Fitch! And she was WHITE.
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