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Post by KBOO Kult Kulture Kidster on Jun 1, 2014 10:20:54 GMT -8
On a message board the Kbots are too scared to let their zombies know about, much less read? A forum that, according to Kraus is so dead he unregistered in a huff? So what makes you think the Inner Party is going to read, much less reply to your screeds over here? I understand. You prefer to discuss Ed rather than discuss KBOO's progress -- or lack of it. The savekboofromsavekboo blog owners dropped the satire and moved on to 'serious business': trying to inform the public KBOO has become a private radio club taking the public for a ride: savekboofromsavekboo.blogspot.com/2013/08/operation-free-speech.htmlHowever, some here are using this forum to attack other forum participants to drive them away. You know who else likes to attack people to drive them away? What is the purpose of Operation Free Speech? "Our goal is to educate the public and radio community about KBOO's toxic situation." By misusing this forum to attack other forum participants, you are acting to prevent us from working to that goal. You know who else likes to prevent people from discussing KBOO's toxic situation. Stop using KBOO tactics here and stop trying to destroy this forum.
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Post by KBOO Kult Kulture Kidster on Jun 1, 2014 10:23:54 GMT -8
Wow, you're right. I didn't see that coming. I was starting to think the guy had a mental break. He keeps coming back to say how much he doesn't care about KBOO..WTF? Unless he's the same guy who registered as "socrates", lol. The savekboofromsavekboo blog owners dropped the satire and moved on to 'serious business': trying to inform the public KBOO has become a private radio club taking the public for a ride: savekboofromsavekboo.blogspot.com/2013/08/operation-free-speech.htmlHowever, some here are using this forum to attack other forum participants to drive them away. You know who else likes to attack people to drive them away? What is the purpose of Operation Free Speech? "Our goal is to educate the public and radio community about KBOO's toxic situation." By misusing this forum to attack other forum participants, you are acting to prevent us from working to that goal. You know who else likes to prevent people from discussing KBOO's toxic situation. Stop using KBOO tactics here and stop trying to destroy this forum.
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Post by kboo cynic on Jun 1, 2014 15:33:15 GMT -8
Wow, you're right. I didn't see that coming. I was starting to think the guy had a mental break. He keeps coming back to say how much he doesn't care about KBOO..WTF? Unless he's the same guy who registered as "socrates", lol. I understand. You prefer to discuss Ed than to discuss KBOO's progress -- or lack of it. You know who else prefers to discuss anything except KBOO's progress -- or lack of it?... I think people who are serious about putting KBOO into the ground are going to discuss anything or anyone who is part of the problem. A guy who vouched for the chick who tried to trick people into getting phished, then went on to vouch for a weird conspiracy group that Theresa Mitchell was part of, volunteered to be part of the problem. Why I don't know. But that's what it looks like. And when the same guy keeps coming back to concern troll, well, yeah, people are going to talk. So, "transparency", if you care so much, are you one of those folks with information about fraud that could be report KBOO to the FBI or FCC and shut KBOO down, and make this convo history?
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Post by InvisibilityIsNotTransparency on Jun 1, 2014 16:34:55 GMT -8
I understand. You prefer to discuss Ed than to discuss KBOO's progress -- or lack of it. You know who else prefers to discuss anything except KBOO's progress -- or lack of it?... So, "transparency", if you care so much, are you one of those folks with information about fraud that could be report KBOO to the FBI or FCC and shut KBOO down, and make this convo history? The information I have, and the information I hear other people claim to have, does not rise to the level of fraud. So no, people's fantasies of a KBOO apocalypse at the hands of legal authorities is not going to happen. What is going to happen is that KBOO is going to go broke. You may want to force KBOO to shut down. I don't. All anyone can do is make an attempt -- likely futile -- to reform the organization. At the very least, we can make it a matter of public record on this forum who is to blame for KBOO going broke.
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Post by lurker on Jun 1, 2014 22:46:12 GMT -8
I understand. You prefer to discuss Ed rather than discuss KBOO's progress -- or lack of it. The savekboofromsavekboo blog owners dropped the satire and moved on to 'serious business': trying to inform the public KBOO has become a private radio club taking the public for a ride: savekboofromsavekboo.blogspot.com/2013/08/operation-free-speech.htmlHowever, some here are using this forum to attack other forum participants to drive them away. You know who else likes to attack people to drive them away? What is the purpose of Operation Free Speech? "Our goal is to educate the public and radio community about KBOO's toxic situation." By misusing this forum to attack other forum participants, you are acting to prevent us from working to that goal. You know who else likes to prevent people from discussing KBOO's toxic situation. Stop using KBOO tactics here and stop trying to destroy this forum. What a bunch of dishonest manipulative horseshit. No one's using "kboo tactics". Not counting sockpuppets whining when they don't get their way.
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Post by lurker on Jun 1, 2014 23:02:49 GMT -8
So, "transparency", if you care so much, are you one of those folks with information about fraud that could be report KBOO to the FBI or FCC and shut KBOO down, and make this convo history? The information I have, and the information I hear other people claim to have, does not rise to the level of fraud. Horseshit. An engineer was engaged in computer fraud and several volunteers/members are known to using social engineering scams. You sure do seem sure of yourself. Have you actually talked to an attorney? Something we agree on. Only is it going to be before or after the public is bilked out of more money? You don't want to stop kboo from defrauding people. What an interesting admission. Not true. That's all you're prepared to do. You can't speak for other people. Are you high? The organization is a fraudulent scam run like a cult. It can't be "reformed", and even if it could it sure as fuck wouldn't happen on a message forum the Kbots ignore like the plague. It's already a matter of public record. Talking about it more isn't going to change anything. This is why you and Kboo Kid sound like Kbot trolls. The information is already available. Problem is it's not getting to the people who need to see it...the donors. It's obvious why KBOO doesn't want donors to know...KBOO would be destroyed over night. And, contrary to your imaginings, soliciting money under pretenses is fraud. Conspiracy to do the same is fraud. Pretty much every activity Ani's gang engage in to hide their incompetence etc is outright or implicitly deceptive and fraudulent...and the donors will see that. So of course KBOO doesn't want donors to read this forum. The question is why don't you want donors to read this forum? I think it's time someone emailed the mods if only to check some of these IP addresses.
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Post by InvisibilityIsNotTransparency on Jun 2, 2014 1:12:20 GMT -8
The information I have, and the information I hear other people claim to have, does not rise to the level of fraud. Horseshit. An engineer was engaged in computer fraud and several volunteers/members are known to using social engineering scams. Something we agree on. Only is it going to be before or after the public is bilked out of more money? You don't want to stop kboo from defrauding people. What an interesting admission. Are you high? The organization is a fraudulent scam run like a cult. It can't be "reformed", and even if it could it sure as fuck wouldn't happen on a message forum the Kbots ignore like the plague. It's already a matter of public record. Talking about it more isn't going to change anything. This is why you and Kboo Kid sound like Kbot trolls. The information is already available. Problem is it's not getting to the people who need to see it...the donors. It's obvious why KBOO doesn't want donors to know...KBOO would be destroyed over night. And, contrary to your imaginings, soliciting money under pretenses is fraud. Conspiracy to do the same is fraud. Pretty much every activity Ani's gang engage in to hide their incompetence etc is outright or implicitly deceptive and fraudulent...and the donors will see that. If you are so certain of fraud, spend more time providing proof to the authorities --- or to the donors if you like -- and less time attacking people here based on little or no evidence.
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Post by KBOO Kult Kulture Kidster on Jun 2, 2014 1:18:34 GMT -8
The savekboofromsavekboo blog owners dropped the satire and moved on to 'serious business': trying to inform the public KBOO has become a private radio club taking the public for a ride: savekboofromsavekboo.blogspot.com/2013/08/operation-free-speech.htmlHowever, some here are using this forum to attack other forum participants to drive them away. You know who else likes to attack people to drive them away? What is the purpose of Operation Free Speech? "Our goal is to educate the public and radio community about KBOO's toxic situation." By misusing this forum to attack other forum participants, you are acting to prevent us from working to that goal. You know who else likes to prevent people from discussing KBOO's toxic situation. Stop using KBOO tactics here and stop trying to destroy this forum. What a bunch of dishonest manipulative horseshit. No one's using "kboo tactics". Not counting sockpuppets whining when they don't get their way. *What is the purpose of Operation Free Speech? "Our goal is to educate the public and radio community about KBOO's toxic situation."* Your post does not do that. What is does is make this forum toxic. *Stop using KBOO tactics here* and stop trying to destroy this forum.
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Post by jimmy on Jun 2, 2014 5:43:05 GMT -8
Horseshit. An engineer was engaged in computer fraud and several volunteers/members are known to using social engineering scams. Something we agree on. Only is it going to be before or after the public is bilked out of more money? You don't want to stop kboo from defrauding people. What an interesting admission. Are you high? The organization is a fraudulent scam run like a cult. It can't be "reformed", and even if it could it sure as fuck wouldn't happen on a message forum the Kbots ignore like the plague. It's already a matter of public record. Talking about it more isn't going to change anything. This is why you and Kboo Kid sound like Kbot trolls. The information is already available. Problem is it's not getting to the people who need to see it...the donors. It's obvious why KBOO doesn't want donors to know...KBOO would be destroyed over night. And, contrary to your imaginings, soliciting money under pretenses is fraud. Conspiracy to do the same is fraud. Pretty much every activity Ani's gang engage in to hide their incompetence etc is outright or implicitly deceptive and fraudulent...and the donors will see that. If you are so certain of fraud, spend more time providing proof to the authorities --- or to the donors if you like -- and less time attacking people here based on little or no evidence. So you are new here. The best way to contact donors came and went last year when people who were still part of KBOO, but claimed to be concerned, could have used the message features of the website or their access to lists to spread the word. That they didn't is raising a lot of questions right now.
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Post by jimmy on Jun 2, 2014 6:14:47 GMT -8
What a bunch of dishonest manipulative horseshit. No one's using "kboo tactics". Not counting sockpuppets whining when they don't get their way. *What is the purpose of Operation Free Speech? "Our goal is to educate the public and radio community about KBOO's toxic situation."* Your post does not do that. What is does is make this forum toxic. *Stop using KBOO tactics here* and stop trying to destroy this forum. The point of education is implicitly to do something with it, not just shoot the breeze. The forum owners themselves said this: And what "KBOO tactics"? If anyone's using KBOO tactics...arguing in bad faith, making unfounded accusations, misrepresenting facts... you and your buddy should look in the mirror. " some here are using this forum to attack other forum participants to drive them away." Really? Driven away? Are you talking about Ed? He chose to unregister. His choice. But it was after the Facebook thing came up again. If anyone was being "toxic" it was Ed implying someone was crazy for saying he dodged questions. Here's one dodge: After making a big deal about not thinking Facebook credible, then admitting he had an account to follow stuff on Facebook(which isn't credible?), that's a pretty big dodge. Some people might say "lie". Did someone say "KBOO tactics"? Your reasoning has been used before: operationfreespeech.boards.net/thread/246/lib-dems-over-kboo I don't know where you're getting all this the forum is being "destroyed" garbage from. It sounds manipulative. Get over yourself, who ever you are. You don't get to control the message.
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Post by other jimmy on Jun 2, 2014 6:19:58 GMT -8
Disclosure: I'm NOT the same Jimmy who posted first in this thread. But I agree with everything he said about KBOO being a sham.
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Post by kboo cynic on Jun 2, 2014 6:33:28 GMT -8
So, "transparency", if you care so much, are you one of those folks with information about fraud that could be report KBOO to the FBI or FCC and shut KBOO down, and make this convo history? The information I have, and the information I hear other people claim to have, does not rise to the level of fraud. So no, people's fantasies of a KBOO apocalypse at the hands of legal authorities is not going to happen. What is going to happen is that KBOO is going to go broke. You may want to force KBOO to shut down. I don't. All anyone can do is make an attempt -- likely futile -- to reform the organization. Really? That's all anyone can do? And it's not fraud? Others disagree: jimmySounds like fraud to me.
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Post by kboo cynic on Jun 2, 2014 6:44:58 GMT -8
But it was after the Facebook thing came up again. If anyone was being "toxic" it was Ed implying someone was crazy for saying he dodged questions. Here's one dodge: After making a big deal about not thinking Facebook credible, then admitting he had an account to follow stuff on Facebook(which isn't credible?), that's a pretty big dodge. Some people might say "lie". Did someone say "KBOO tactics"? Your reasoning has been used before: operationfreespeech.boards.net/thread/246/lib-dems-over-kboo Another dodge: Underline mine. Ed never returned to that thread.
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Post by 3rd Jimmy on Jun 3, 2014 13:07:02 GMT -8
I wrote this
Are you new here? You are surprised that KBOO (board and staff) is not voluntarily updating their "progress."
There is no progress, there is regression. The membership has slipped below 4,000 and it continues to decline.
You seem to have expectations that KBOO serve the community and its members. That is where you're confused. KBOO uses that propaganda to bring in dollars to keep its staff employed and its small club feeling special.
It's a sham.
KBOO is not community radio. They use the idea of community radio to get money from unsuspecting folks that happen to like bluegrass or democracy now.
But I haven't checked this thread in a week or so, thus was not jimmy or other jimmy.
For the record (and I'm no attorney, nor am I'm going to consult one about this), I think it's dishonest, but fraud that you could win a legal case on would be challenging. It's a matter of opinion. How do you define "serve the community"?
It's BS, but they do serve A community, but not THE community. But if A community is THE community, then they're clear. If that makes any sense.
Regardless, I agree with the poster long ago who said you're wasting your time complaining to this blog, no one is listening.
If you really want to make some change, you need to go to board meetings, go to committee meetings, table at events, talk to everyone you can, and run for the board. You can't hide behind an alias on a website, but need to actually put your name out there.
There are forums in town where you can write articles, blog posts, etc. Use your name and use facts.
Then you'll see how truly messed up things are and how low people will stoop to protect THEIR precious community. At least you'll see that if they feel threatened by you, which means you're doing a good job. Complaining about things here is pointless.
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Post by InvisibilityIsNotTransparency on Jun 3, 2014 19:15:50 GMT -8
Regardless, I agree with the poster long ago who said you're wasting your time complaining to this blog, no one is listening. The thing KBOO fears the most is adverse press. There was an article in a local weekly and a national broadcasting journal that exposed the problems at KBOO -- and they both made use of this blog (in its old incarnation) as a source of information. I not complaining. I'm offering up the KKK's own words and observing that they have not walked the talk. Will they read this? Most likely not -- at least here. But they may have the opportunity to read it should there be follow-up articles written about the KBOO coup. This forum offers an opportunity to expose the toxic culture and practical failures of business as usual at KBOO. When KBOO goes broke -- which it most certainly will -- this forum will provide a record for the press to use in writing KBOO's obituary. We are making it quite clear who deserves the credit for KBOO's failure. If that's all we can accomplish here, its still a worthwhile endeavor.
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