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Post by lurker on Sept 24, 2015 14:14:59 GMT -8
I should have expected to be surrounded by comedians. I'll take each one in turn. People can add their own thoughts. "Hadrian, looks like we're both banned. Bummer, you'll have to reply to me email of last week if you want to get coffee."
They have each other's email addys. There's no reason to use the forum to communicate. It sounds retarded. But it makes sense if they're putting on a "show": advertise to third parties reading. "I'm the only person who has posted anything there that you've gotten excited about in months."Except that sode where his coffee buddies invited yet another racist speaker. That wasn't even 2 months ago. Unless Ed is saying he had a hand in inviting the Bollyn guy? "I'll lurk in the background and watch to see if anything new and interesting pops up."He's been outed as a liar, he's been manipulative, no one trusts him, and he's been banned at least twice. No one wants to talk to him, the forum is freely mocking him, but his response is "okay guys, lol, I'll be lurking, cya later" ? Not. " Fuck you too! I was trying to expose the Kbots and this is how you treat me!" or "Well believe I'm a scammer if you want, lol, I don't have to take this, fuck off and have a nice life"? What I'm saying: normal people would be so pissed at being insulted, even if they weren't sleazy goons, would tell us to fuck off and go away. They would not pretend to be friends or pretend there was a chance they could be trusted again. The whole "You guys are so paranoid, lol!" is particularly creepy. Think about it. |
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Post by MN on Sept 24, 2015 16:24:00 GMT -8
Well, I wasn't trying to be a smart ass. But I see what you mean. Why go to the trouble of circumventing an IP ban knowing you'll be mocked? IDK sorta assumed there was an obsessive component there. If he was a random troll wouldn't bat an eye. But given Ed's history it's a bit surreal.
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me again - whackamole!
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Post by me again - whackamole! on Sept 24, 2015 17:06:37 GMT -8
I should have expected to be surrounded by comedians. I'll take each one in turn. People can add their own thoughts. "Hadrian, looks like we're both banned. Bummer, you'll have to reply to me email of last week if you want to get coffee."
They have each other's email addys. There's no reason to use the forum to communicate. It sounds retarded. But it makes sense if they're putting on a "show": advertise to third parties reading. "I'm the only person who has posted anything there that you've gotten excited about in months."Except that sode where his coffee buddies invited yet another racist speaker. That wasn't even 2 months ago. Unless Ed is saying he had a hand in inviting the Bollyn guy? "I'll lurk in the background and watch to see if anything new and interesting pops up."He's been outed as a liar, he's been manipulative, no one trusts him, and he's been banned at least twice. No one wants to talk to him, the forum is freely mocking him, but his response is "okay guys, lol, I'll be lurking, cya later" ? Not. " Fuck you too! I was trying to expose the Kbots and this is how you treat me!" or "Well believe I'm a scammer if you want, lol, I don't have to take this, fuck off and have a nice life"? What I'm saying: normal people would be so pissed at being insulted, even if they weren't sleazy goons, would tell us to fuck off and go away. They would not pretend to be friends or pretend there was a chance they could be trusted again. The whole "You guys are so paranoid, lol!" is particularly creepy. Think about it. ************** Ed Kraus posting below *************** Some random thoughts. 1) First of all, thank you for blocking the ISP's I'm usually at. I've realized that I've wasted way too much time here and this will help me greatly. 2) Yes this is a bit nuts, still talking to you crazies. But I was laboring under the false illusion you all were pissed of at the nut cases at KBOO and cared what's going on there. Now I see it's more important to spin crazy paranoid conspiracy theories from those who you've never met in person and who you don't know at all. To be honest, it's your credibility on the line, not mine. 3) Yes, stopping on the way at a coffee shop can get old. 4) If you don't want me reading, restrict the blog to registered users only. Done. Of course the consequence of doing this is that you'll no longer be read or interacted with by anyone other than yourselves. That's not the way you effect change or make a difference. So you can go down your secret rabbit hole but doing so will prove you're irrelevant even to those who might agree that the Kbots are screwing up what could be a beautiful thing. 5) I've watched for months, posted just like I used to on the Yellow blog (using many names for the comic effect) and even posted in Swedish! One thing I'll observe here. There have been daily between 25 to 60 "Guests" checking in here (for whatever reason) and hardly ever any registered users. I've been here by name, and so has Hadrian. We're the only folks with any balls who have ever posted on your blue blog. You're the ones hiding. I don't care why anymore, just saying that even the paltry number of "registered users" don't even seem to log in as themselves. 6) If some of the moderators are gone, that explains a lot. It seemed to be a food fight behind the scenes at times. 7) Is this site media? Do you intend to do anything with it to change anything? Consider this before you go into more crazy posts, KBOO blocked my attempts to have any show other than a non political music show so their narrow worldview wouldn't be challenged. Lynn was driven out the door for suggesting that the programming be opened up a bit, just a bit less narrow. So the Kbots censored and smeared those who didn't think exactly like them and we had a summer of high drama. Now we have the blue blog. My posts somehow seem to affect the "mods" who are left the same way I affected KBOO. You don't want your version of "reality" challenged, so you block me and smear me. KBOO blocked me from their media and now you block me from this blog. How are you different than the Kbots? The real Ed Kraus |
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Post by kay on Sept 24, 2015 19:32:19 GMT -8
How are you different from the garden variety troll?
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Post by partyhard on Sept 25, 2015 8:55:50 GMT -8
how are we different from kbots?
we don't run predatory cult orgs
pretending to be community radio
scamming people for money
we don't play bullshit games
like u and haddy
and becky
or phish for info on people
not part of the problem
or set people up
to be phished
or hang out with conspiracy loons
or try to get pppls trust
promising docs
or try to shame peeps into going to
meetings
where you know theyll be targets
of anis fucking cult
then come back
months/years l8r pretending
to be butthurt
noone believes ur bullshit anymore.
sorry,
was this a trick question?
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Post by lurker on Sept 25, 2015 9:43:06 GMT -8
Some stuff Ed said:
One of the mods went on record explaining they expected you to melt down like this and no one is hiding.
No, really, no one is hiding.
Did you get it?
NO ONE IS HIDING.
Why you keep saying that, idk. FYI, it sounds, using your words, crazy.
How can someone with a website for decades be so dumb about how online communities work? When news is fresh, traffic is up. When it's old, it's down. Years later, only a handful of peeps will be checking in. Unless something new happens. If you don't have to register, many peeps don't. Avoid rabbit hole metaphors. It looks like projection.
Also, trying to make people feel bad for not using their names on a forum the Kbots see? Sleazy move. But then you're a sleazy guy. Mfw.
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Post by partyhard on Sept 25, 2015 23:43:56 GMT -8
theres so much lulz in here
he assumes he's being banned
cuz we don't want him reading
lol
ppl aren't banned for lurking
theyre banned for stirring shit
derp
so many other newbie assumptions
so little time
theres a reason
we've let ed have his internet tantrum
should be able to explain
by end of weekend
hey in time for the kbot public meeting!
stay tuned
biatches
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Post by Ed Kraus on Sept 26, 2015 9:13:41 GMT -8
Hello y'all,
I've spent some time pondering the last few days of vitriol here on the old blue blog. I've come to the conclusion I've been making a lot of incorrect assumptions, and now I think I see things here in a different light.
I went back and read again the opening posts for when the yellow blog changed into the blue blog. The purpose stated way back in 2013 was to expose KBOO for what it was. I was on board with that, and even decided to be a "registered user". Back then KBOO was in the middle of a fight for control and I and several other people against our admiteed better judgement had decided to try to turn KBOO around by running for the Board.
That fight was loud enough to eventually get coverage in other media and some local newspapers, and even in a national blog about Public Radio. But the fight was lost and Ani, Lynn, Jenka, Theresa and others still have their butts welded to their chairs at KBOO. KBOO continues to roll along with the same stale old programming, slowly loosing the few listeners it still has and depends today on grant income to stay afloat. Not a dramatic collapse, but the cancer that KBOO has I believe will eventually kill it.
I've moved on, but thought it might be fun once in a while to check in with the old gang, sort of like a reunion of veterans getting together for a beer. But I've misread this situation entirely, and for that I apologize.
I've got the luxury of being able to sever my ties to KBOO completely. I haven't been in the building since summer of 2013 and don't intend to ever return. I don't listen to any programs on KBOO and don't need to. I no longer support KBOO and don't even have it on any presets on my radios. Anyone who asks about KBOO, I tell them the truth. Being part of KBOO was one of the worst experiences of my adult life, and I wouldn't recommending sending them a plug nickel.
But this is my luxury, I can say what I want without fear of any consequences. I deliberately resigned my slot as a radio host at KBOO before running for the board, so Ani couldn't hold my access to the airwaves over my head to control me. But what I've forgotten is that some of the people in the food fight in 2013 were people still at KBOO, and might still need KBOO or think they still need KBOO.
Ben Hoyne actually had Kbots multiple times contact his employer with the message that he should be fired. Ben dropped out of the blog fight as a result of needing to protect his job. We've all seen how Lisa Loving tried to intimidate you guys (most likely a hollow threat) but then again, could she manipulate her employer into funding such a lawsuit? Lynn was publicly abused and I don't think Ani or any of her minions actually paid any price for their behavior. And I've felt the sting of KBOO lunatics trying to damage me from the infamous lies told about me earlier at Wweek and Grace's pathetic attempts to resurrect that smear campaign.
However, I'm safe from this bullshit. I've left KBOO so they can't withold anything from me there. I own my own business so they can't get me fired. Trust me, the few of my customers who even know what KBOO is value me more than they value KBOO. No one listens to KBOO so even if they made it their prime objective to smear me it would fail. I spent a lot of time last year helping another radio station launch, so I got my radio fix there and now Portland has at least three new nonprofit radio stations on the air so eventually KBOO failing won't matter. And I've redirected my volunteer time to other non radio projects that actually matter, and so I thank KBOO for forcing me to leave as my time is spent better elsewhere.
I've made a mistake however, in thinking you all at the blue blog are in the same position. Some of you might actually think you need a position at KBOO and are truly fearful of going to the KBOO website in case someone is actually logging activity. I doubt this is happening but perhaps you are fearful because of what happened earlier.
Perhaps one of you works for someone who supports the Kbots, or is God forbid in a family or other close relationship with a Kbot. And perhaps one or more of you is actually a Kbot and lurking here to get intel.
So I apologize for mocking anyone here who feels the need for secrecy. I've got a good position here in that I can be open as myself without repercussions. If you can't that's fine. It might not be a matter of who has any balls or not.
Some of the posts here have been ridiculous. Fine. Go ahead. For those who think I'm a Kbot troll, I'm sure you also think Obama is a Muslim, and he faked his birth certificate. No worries. I forgot, it's been conclusively proven I'm a Mossad agent so I'm truly capable of anything :-). I've been honestly horrified by how many people think 911 was a false flag. If you're convinced I'm someone who buddies up to 911 folks and neo Nazis … you know nothing about me. No worries. I won't try to reason about any of this, but if you're frightened I understand better now.
It's actually heartening that someone looking to smear me today goes to a publicly available website, and the best they can do is mock my telling my customers what I think about UPS. Here's the facts. UPS and FedEx operate together as a virtual monopoly and deliver horrible service. 95 percent of my customers now take their parcels via USPS and they have saved a huge amount of money and get their parcels faster and with fewer losses. Corporate hacks like UPS are trying to put the post office out of business by getting stupid changes in pension funding through Congress, and that's a story that has run in many media sources. I'm right to express my opinions about things that directly affect my customer base, and my customers understand that while I sometimes rant a bit they get good products and good service, so after 32 years they still come back to me and support what I do.
To be honest, look inward. The attack on my credibility via such a ridiculous comment here sounds like a desperate attempt by a Kbot to somehow find some way to harm me. Either the person posting is a Kbot or there's in the final analysis no difference between the methods at KBOO and here at the blue blog.
A former employee once said publicly of me; "Ed was born with a built in bullshit detector, and it's on a hair trigger." What has transpired here lately has been bullshit, but I realize now that I may have triggered it by assuming you all are safe from any KBOO blowback like I am. So again, I'm sorry for making this mistake in judgement and wish those of you still connected in some way to the horror of KBOO the courage to break those ties and improve your life with something new, fresh, and clean. It's been a wonderful experience to realize there are sane and healthy people elsewhere ready to do good work in the world.
KBOO is what it is and won't change. To hell with it.
Ed Kraus
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Post by partyhard on Sept 27, 2015 6:08:23 GMT -8
tl;dr he was caught lying and stirring shit with hadrian fucking with ppl who troll cultists for fun and is oh noes suprised it blew up in his face hey remember travis? think we forgot about that?  |
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Post by partyhard on Sept 27, 2015 6:15:18 GMT -8
and since ed is
playing games and stirring shit
he soudl probly avoid
lurking neveh shaloms isp
they might not be happy
about that
fyi
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Post by MN on Sept 27, 2015 18:01:45 GMT -8
I can only assume this was years before Ed became a manipulator and liar.
That you and Hadrian instigated.
How that helps.
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Post by MN on Sept 27, 2015 18:03:15 GMT -8
*hope
not how.
Mod?
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Post by Ed Kraus on Sept 28, 2015 10:53:21 GMT -8
MN and Partyhard
You guys crack me up. But go ahead, tell me what you are going to do to improve the situation at KBOO?
Besides taking the only cheap potshots at me that you can figure out.
Ed Kraus
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Post by lurker on Sept 28, 2015 11:49:37 GMT -8
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Post by Comrade Red on Sept 28, 2015 17:42:46 GMT -8
Ed's so adorable...he can't keep his own story straight: Sept 26: Sept 28: We were upfront when we abandoned any attempt to "save" KBOO and the reasons why: Even then, Ed was, to put it charitably, in denial when he wrote in the comments: Demand from who? A toxic, predatory cultlike organization is not going to change because of "demands". They only change in response to legal, political and public pressure. We are not pleased KBOO hasn't been shut down, not in small part to the weak ass half measures of people like Kraus and Hadrian who say they want change, but are in some way perversely addicted to keeping the KBOO conflict alive.That said, it is a solid win, that, because of our efforts exposing the history of the Inner Party's behavior, KBOO has been forced to abandon the most outragous public predatory and abusive behavior.While KBOO still exists and is scamming the public for dollars, we will still support any effort to shut them down. |
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