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Post by So is what you're saying on Sept 18, 2013 9:40:29 GMT -8
Conch attempted to impact the election results by digging into your personnel file without approval of the board, without approval of the Executive Committee, in violation of labor laws, and violated your privacy and rights in an attempt to remove you as a legitimately elected Director by trying to find "dirt" about you in your private personnel records?
Is it also possible he shared your personnel file with other people, possibly other staff? During a recent board meeting where he defended spending $1500 in KBOO member donations to obtain your personnel file, did he not say on the recording something to the effect of "they destroyed the files..." in reference to your personnel file. Who is the "they" he mentions, on the recording?
That sounds like he might be saying that the staff destroyed some records after you left KBOO, and they had to be obtained from the attorney? Wouldn't staff destroying or tampering with personnel files be illegal? Considering the attempts to keep these facts out of closed session so they couldn't be discussed, it seems like he, Conch, could be trying to protect the staff that may have tampered with your original personnel file?
Just speculating, of course. Thanks for filling in with the details.
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Post by johnmackey on Sept 18, 2013 10:02:07 GMT -8
My reason for going into closed session was so that the fact the KBOO was not operating within legal parameters would not be made public (and possibly trigger an FCC inspection). But when the board refused to go into closed session I was forced to bring it up under "new business" which is public. My purpose for this was to ensure that something was being done to resolve it and to get that documented in case the FCC did inquire - then we would have documentation that KBOO was working to resolve the situation within the 60 day time window they allow. Instead, the board refused to go into closed session (they knew my reason for requesting closed session as I had sent all board members an email addressing my concerns prior to the meeting), thus causing me to bring the issue up in open (public) session. The next month they used that as reason to remove me. I have no regrets about my actions at that time. Had I not brought up the problem who knows when they would have figured it out for themselves. How would we feel if there had been some disaster in Portland and KBOO listeners died or were injured because they did not hear a warning message? Unfortunately, a lot of people listen to Ani. I think that both Hadrian and Lynn were guilty of this at one time. Ani gives a lot of bad information and is an expert at setting up people who are not under her control. I question how KBOO can ever improve as long as Ani is involved. Hadrian is a well intended person but far to much of an intellectual who "over-thinks" and misses the basics which causes him to make poor decisions. Lynn is very much about control. I am certain that she was very unhappy that I pointed out very basic and simple failures that her supervision should have addressed. The EAS system could have been fixed in less than an hour of time. I offered to show documentation supporting my findings and give a FREE training (about EAS) to any staff who needed or wanted it. All my offers were declined. (I normally charge $350 to stations to set up their EAS) But Lynn stated she interviewed several people and gave written warnings to staff over the EAS issue. That is a lot of time and trouble for what is a simple fix. I think you are wrong about Glen Owen being a friend of Ani's. I don't think they could be further apart unless something has changed in the last year. I think there is a LOT that I could tell you about the inner-workings of the staff at KBOO. Sound like you made a reasonable call. Frankly I don't even see why going into closed secession would be necessary, but I'm not an expert in non-profit board procedure. This is the Emergency system. Sounds to me like everyone should know if it's working or not. The key here reading this is "the next month". A lot can happen behind the scenes in a month. I've got no doubt about Lynn being active in this, because she was being given information by Ani, etc. That is nasty. Be interested to hear Lynn's perspective, btw. Then we have a better idea how the con works. For that matter be interesting to hear Hadrian's perspective. Remember, almost up to the month Sherman was appointed, Hadrian had no idea Sherman was KKK slime. Remember this blog? savekboofromsavekboo.blogspot.com/2013/06/comrade-hadrian-loyal-cadre-or.htmlBoth Hadrian and Ben Hoyne have brought this up repeatedly: savekboofromsavekboo.blogspot.com/2013/07/traitor-hoyne-demands-removal-of-board.htmlsavekboofromsavekboo.blogspot.com/2013/06/breaking-traitor-hadrian-micciche-deals.htmlBut the added info around the situation is appreciated. Unfortunately, the questions imo are justified. Playing off people and taking advantage of friendliness, is how Ani's "kbots" run their scam. Once you know it's a con, people not part of the scam bail. I've done my own research in addition to the SKFSK material. Glen Owen is a close friend of all these people(especially Theresa and Yaney), so the only conclusion to draw is that KBOO.info was a scam to entangle people like you, unhappy with KBOO, but with no place to turn. Anyone can be fooled by a good scam. If we don't learn from our mistakes we're doomed to repeat them
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Post by johnmackey on Sept 18, 2013 10:09:42 GMT -8
Conch attempted to impact the election results by digging into your personnel file without approval of the board, without approval of the Executive Committee, in violation of labor laws, and violated your privacy and rights in an attempt to remove you as a legitimately elected Director by trying to find "dirt" about you in your private personnel records? All the above is correct!!Is it also possible he shared your personnel file with other people, possibly other staff? During a recent board meeting where he defended spending $1500 in KBOO member donations to obtain your personnel file, did he not say on the recording something to the effect of "they destroyed the files..." in reference to your personnel file. Who is the "they" he mentions, on the recording? I am not aware of that. But it is highly possible that what you are saying did happen - it is worth looking into for confirmation.That sounds like he might be saying that the staff destroyed some records after you left KBOO, and they had to be obtained from the attorney? Wouldn't staff destroying or tampering with personnel files be illegal? Considering the attempts to keep these facts out of closed session so they couldn't be discussed, it seems like he, Conch, could be trying to protect the staff that may have tampered with your original personnel file? It is highly likely that staff tampered with any files they wanted to. Ethics is not something they get high marks for.Just speculating, of course. Thanks for filling in with the details. I am willing to discuss nearly anything - I feel the truth need to be out and I see nothing gained by not being open and transparent.
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Post by johnmackey on Sept 18, 2013 10:35:27 GMT -8
Never seen this in print anywhere before: Here is the truth: Once I won the election to become a KBOO Board member (on October 1) Conch (Board President) took my personnel file to the attorney to see if there was any way they could refuse to seat me on the board. The attorney said "no" and sent KBOO the bill! Conch then held a closed session of the KBOO Board immediately after the September 2012 meeting to discuss with the board his desire to keep me off the board. Several board members told him his actions were completely inappropriate in that closed meeting. It is not in print because closed board meetings (executive sessions) are not on the minutes. Several people who were on the board at that time told me about it after the meeting. Conch's whole purpose in all that was just to try to keep me from being seated on the board. HIGHLY anti-Democratic as I was the highest vote getting in the 2012 election!
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Post by LulzBot on Sept 18, 2013 10:39:44 GMT -8
"I think you are wrong about Glen Owen being a friend of Ani's. I don't think they could be further apart unless something has changed in the last year."
Dude, don't know what planet you've been on, but Owen has been a friend of Theresa, and therefore Ani, FOR YEARS. This is not a secret....expect to people still koolaided by the micro-cult.
I'll dig around in my files and get back to you.
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Post by LulzBot on Sept 18, 2013 10:46:55 GMT -8
"Unfortunately, a lot of people listen to Ani. I think that both Hadrian and Lynn were guilty of this at one time. Ani gives a lot of bad information and is an expert at setting up people who are not under her control. I question how KBOO can ever improve as long as Ani is involved."
It was Lynn's job to listen to Ani. Ani is head of staff. As someone(Ed?), pointed out Lynn was effectively acting as CEO, as per her job description. At that time so reasonable person would think the head of staff was lying or manipulating them. Otherwise Lynn would have quit then.
And my previous comment should read : except, not expect
Guess I should register, heh....
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Post by johnmackey on Sept 18, 2013 10:55:06 GMT -8
"I think you are wrong about Glen Owen being a friend of Ani's. I don't think they could be further apart unless something has changed in the last year." Dude, don't know what planet you've been on, but Owen has been a friend of Theresa, and therefore Ani, FOR YEARS. This is not a secret....expect to people still koolaided by the micro-cult. I'll dig around in my files and get back to you. Maybe they are friends - that is not the the group of people I hung out with. I'm just surprised because Ani threw Glen Owen under the bus several times in staff meetings. Example: Ani went to great lengths to protect and save her friend Dena Barnwell.
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Post by Admin on Sept 18, 2013 11:00:25 GMT -8
Do you understand how a confidence game works?
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Post by Admin on Sept 18, 2013 11:06:16 GMT -8
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Post by rogerhouston on Sept 18, 2013 11:25:27 GMT -8
here's a perception of mine: whether thrown under the bus or not, they share dopey ideas, so does Mikey P. So many silly personalities together, like an 8 yr. old mixing water colors, you end up with brownish-gray
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Post by johnmackey on Sept 18, 2013 11:45:13 GMT -8
Regarding questions about Glen and others..... I try to be friends with everyone who treats me with respect regardless of my agreements or disagreements with their actions. Being friends includes listening to them. Please don't automatically include me in something someone does only because I am friendly with them.Unfortunately, the questions imo are justified. Playing off people and taking advantage of friendliness, is how Ani's "kbots" run their scam. Once you know it's a con, people not part of the scam bail. I've done my own research in addition to the SKFSK material. Glen Owen is a close friend of all these people(especially Theresa and Yaney), so the only conclusion to draw is that KBOO.info was a scam to entangle people like you, unhappy with KBOO, but with no place to turn. Anyone can be fooled by a good scam. If we don't learn from our mistakes we're doomed to repeat them Sure, never a problem with questions. One problem (of many) with KBOO is how they suppress anyone who asks a question they don't like or thinks even slightly different than the main party line does. Then when someone does speak out without drinking the koolaid, they get banished or ridiculed - even thinking differently leaves a person on the outside looking in. As you said "with no place to turn". That seems to be far different than what the KBOO charter says they stand up for
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Post by lol on Sept 18, 2013 12:20:44 GMT -8
"I think you are wrong about Glen Owen being a friend of Ani's. I don't think they could be further apart unless something has changed in the last year." Dude, don't know what planet you've been on, but Owen has been a friend of Theresa, and therefore Ani, FOR YEARS. This is not a secret....expect to people still koolaided by the micro-cult. I'll dig around in my files and get back to you. do we need MOAR files on this? owen's conspiracy group and fronts were the main vehicles of mitchell's omg we're going to be nuked by a dirty bomb captain jew hater may bullshit. with out owen's portland 'truth' alliance theresa's garbage wouldn't have gotten off the ground. www.radio4all.net/index.php/program/24295CascadiaPublicRadio.org = glen owen ANY problem involving owen where ani or mitchell act like 'i wonder who that guy is?' THEY ARE LYING anyone still talking with owen should just assume everything told goes straight to ani and THEY ARE SCREWED most of those groups are deleted or private now. antifa catching them with nazis really put a crimp in their style. lulz
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Post by Hadrian Micciche on Sept 29, 2013 23:21:27 GMT -8
John Mackey was removed from the board for needlessly revealing proprietary information in an open meeting. In doing so, he clearly demonstrated he is not to be trusted to act prudently with confidential information.
John gained this confidential information on October 14th, during an unauthorized after hours visit to the station. As John puts it, lives were at risk and he would be personally legal liable if he did nothing. So, for a full week, he did -- nothing.
Apparently, the first time he told the station manager or the Board about the problem was in an Oct 21st email: "I looked at the EAS station log and I printed it out. I will present what I printed to the board - preferably in a closed session because it is confidential. Since it is too late for the upcoming board meeting I will put it on the agenda for the November meeting. This is in relation to KBOO not meeting FCC requirements for EAS monitoring/logging - which would be considered a serious violation!"
John emailed the Board about the EAS issue the day before our October meeting and said, "Since it is too late for the upcoming board meeting I will put it on the agenda for the November meeting". One day John thinks he can wait until November to take up the issue with the Board, but the next day its such an urgent matter that he needs to bring it up in public session after his request for a private session is turned down?
The fact is that John stated more than once, and at the October meeting, that he wanted a closed session of the Board to discuss not the EAS issue but rather the personnel records of another former station employee and current board member. On October 12th, John wrote to the board secretary in his agenda request: "Last month the Board President led the KBOO Board into a closed session to review the personnel file of an incoming board member. (Conch reviewed my personnel file with the board in a closed session last month) Since the precedent has been set, I assume that we (as a board) will review the personnel file of any former employee before we appoint them to the board."
I have the documentation that proves John Mackey was, and continues to be, entirely dishonest in his claim that the only reason he revealed this information in open session was that he was denied the opportunity to discuss the EAS issue in closed session. The fact is, the EAS issue was already being dealt with before John blurted out the information about the issue in an open meeting.
Shortly after John unnecessarily revealed this proprietary information in an open session of the Board, I sent him an email. I said that he was likely going to be removed from the Board and urged him to leave with dignity, by making an apology and a resigning. He did not chose that path. Instead, he made, and continues to make, absurd claims about the need for him to act as he did.
An excerpt of my email to John:
"You gained some information about KBOO operations that required corrective action. Leaving aside the issue of how you gained the information you did, the issue now is what you did with the information."
"You emailed the Board alerting us to the problem. OK. You gave a packet of information to the Board Secretary. Good. You asked for a closed session of the Board. Understandable. The Board felt it unnecessary to discuss this matter further with you. As you said, that's our prerogative. You then revealed this priority information in an open session of the Board. I believe the technical expression for that is: 'You done fucked up.'"
"A prudent course of action would have been to approach the Board President and ask, in a private conversation, what steps were being taken to deal with the issue you alerted us about several days prior. You would have learned what our Station Manager told you when we did go into private session. It's being handled."
John Mackey was removed from the Board for needlessly revealing, in an open session, information he repeatedly said needed to be handled in a closed session. He done fucked up.
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Post by aw hell naw on Sept 30, 2013 1:52:15 GMT -8
Guess this ain't Portland Indymedia... Hope it's a sign something's happening to at KBOO soon...
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Post by LulzBot on Sept 30, 2013 14:54:56 GMT -8
Guess this ain't Portland Indymedia... Hope it's a sign something's happening to at KBOO soon... We can hope. I've appreciated Mackey's contributions, but his antipathy re Hadrian left me confused. Until now. There's a rumor that Mackey had a more active role in kboo.info than just getting sucked in. But as we know, rumors out of kboo are a dime a dozen. It would have helped a lot if he'd explained how he got entangled with the Owen foil hatter crowd, without the ad nausem kbot style hand waving: "I'm nice to lots of people." Yeah, I'm nice to weirdos too, but I don't organize with them in my spare time.
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